I did see this one this morning. Fortunately I've some other things to do. Jaiku's ups and downs don't destroy my life. It's somehow natural that the Interent and all machines have ups and downs, go to bed, have flue and don't function like "machines" should. Feels like a human being.
As a person who works closely with Web servers and high performance Web sites, to me downtime is something that directly affects businesses and can cause huge financial losses and even lost jobs. In that world machines must not have any human qualities :) But yeah, it certainly is natural that everything breaks sometimes.
As for Jaiku, my point was mainly that it's weird for not noticing two rare events in a row, just because I've almost completely dropped off the Jaiku-radar. Wanna get back! :)
@uninen, I completely understand your point. For reasons I don't know, it looks like Jaiku and Twitter are both having up-time problems. Twitter has been much worse. My emphatic and understanding attitude also included the notion that if it's broken (Jaiku or Twitter) I can and will spend my time somewhere else. You translated that to "lost business" and "trust". Downtime of any process used by thousands and millions is always costly. I'd rather not experience a downtime of an airplane. You are so right. I was sarcastic.
@visualradio "It's somehow natural that the Interent and all machines have ups and downs, go to bed, have flue and don't function like "machines" should. Feels like a human being"
Love this!
@Uninen "machines must not have any human qualities" sometimes I wish the same...
@visualradio: To further explain my poor English, my association of downtime was not in any way related to Jaiku, but to the word in general. And I understand your point, too :)
Actually, think about how cool would it be if some morning your workstation wouldn't boot but instead displayed a message saying "Will not work today, I have a nasty virus and I want to sleep it off." =) "-No work today, yayy!! Let's go and enjoy fresh air."
@vascellari: Problem is, all of the information systems are controlled (and developed) by humans, so even if the machines sometimes are a bit better than us in some areas, human interaction leads inevitably to problems that no one could ever take fully account. And that, to me, is the most interesting part in IS-research. (No matter how smart system you build, there's always one user that can -- and will -- totally f*ck it up :P)
We got into a HumAndoroid-uptime world. This is leading to Starwar Jaiku Google Twitter Mobile development potentials. I was very confused with the word Social Media to start with. It felt like dragging me into National Healthcare. I started to play with the word and got into something I call "Social Realism" and the meaning is to connect the real world and the seemingly unreal cyber world with this reality. What i learned during that process which included Twitter, Jaiku, Facebook, Ning, Basecamp, YouTube, blogs etc. that the cyber world is REAL. Social Media connections are with real people and not with avtars. Maybe that's why I don't feel too bad if Jaiku is "down" for a while (was it a day?). My attitude accepting that downtime is technically not acceptable, but I like to really understand the "reality of the virtual" and without it we wouldn't be talking about this. Nuclear power plants have downtimes. They shouldn't but they really are down for months for maintenance. I hope this doesn't get lost in translation!
To me the whole Web is about people -- not just the new 2.0 crap. It has always been and it always will be. In that regard downtime could translate to time apart from your friends and colleagues. This is very different point of view from what a large e-commerce site maintainer would have (and what my first association for the word would be), for example.
And then again, I don't mind for Jaiku being down for some hours, either. (I believe it was nearly a day this time.) As you said, there's fortunately other things to do :)
@uninen, The whole web is about people. That's a huge change. Vascellari is Italian, we are good friends over the Internet (Twitter, Jaiku, Facebook and Pownce, just to mention a few). I've never met you, but feels like talking with someone real. You're from Turki, I'm from Loviisa, Finland. I've a friend in Turku, we used to work together for quite some time. I guess he don't Jaiku, but we do some Google Talk. It's great to have these channels. The virtual is real!
That's amazing thing about the Web: physical distances don't matter anymore.
I remember going online for the first time back in the day. We (our school) had a 2400 baud modem and Netscape 1.0 for browsing. Even then the Big Thing were the people, all around the world. Back then the Web was not so interesting because all it had was a bunch of crappy, literally 1994-looking, static pages that took ages to load, and not very much to do. BBS-systems and usenet-groups were much more interesting because they offered near-realtime connections with real people.
My 2.0 "Social Web" era started in 1995 or so when I first chatted with Justin Hall via email. Man, that was exciting. (And few years after that we met IRL in Helsinki.) This is what I think is the heart and soul of all of these new 2.0 Web services: to bring together people all over the world.
I really don't know how we ended up here from the original "i wish i were more on Jaiku", but hey, who cares! :)
Justin Hall, I've seen a documentary about him. He's quite a personality. I guess he is one of the blogger pioneers. What is Justin Hall doing now? Still exposing his life over the Internet? He has a bunch of followers.
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I did see this one this morning. Fortunately I've some other things to do. Jaiku's ups and downs don't destroy my life. It's somehow natural that the Interent and all machines have ups and downs, go to bed, have flue and don't function like "machines" should. Feels like a human being.
1 year, 4 months ago by visualradio
As a person who works closely with Web servers and high performance Web sites, to me downtime is something that directly affects businesses and can cause huge financial losses and even lost jobs. In that world machines must not have any human qualities :) But yeah, it certainly is natural that everything breaks sometimes.
As for Jaiku, my point was mainly that it's weird for not noticing two rare events in a row, just because I've almost completely dropped off the Jaiku-radar. Wanna get back! :)
1 year, 4 months ago by Uninen
@uninen, I completely understand your point. For reasons I don't know, it looks like Jaiku and Twitter are both having up-time problems. Twitter has been much worse. My emphatic and understanding attitude also included the notion that if it's broken (Jaiku or Twitter) I can and will spend my time somewhere else. You translated that to "lost business" and "trust". Downtime of any process used by thousands and millions is always costly. I'd rather not experience a downtime of an airplane. You are so right. I was sarcastic.
1 year, 4 months ago by visualradio
@visualradio "It's somehow natural that the Interent and all machines have ups and downs, go to bed, have flue and don't function like "machines" should. Feels like a human being" Love this!
@Uninen "machines must not have any human qualities" sometimes I wish the same...
This is a nice chat... maybe I'll blog about it!
1 year, 4 months ago by vascellari
@visualradio: To further explain my poor English, my association of downtime was not in any way related to Jaiku, but to the word in general. And I understand your point, too :)
Actually, think about how cool would it be if some morning your workstation wouldn't boot but instead displayed a message saying "Will not work today, I have a nasty virus and I want to sleep it off." =) "-No work today, yayy!! Let's go and enjoy fresh air."
@vascellari: Problem is, all of the information systems are controlled (and developed) by humans, so even if the machines sometimes are a bit better than us in some areas, human interaction leads inevitably to problems that no one could ever take fully account. And that, to me, is the most interesting part in IS-research. (No matter how smart system you build, there's always one user that can -- and will -- totally f*ck it up :P)
1 year, 4 months ago by Uninen
We got into a HumAndoroid-uptime world. This is leading to Starwar Jaiku Google Twitter Mobile development potentials. I was very confused with the word Social Media to start with. It felt like dragging me into National Healthcare. I started to play with the word and got into something I call "Social Realism" and the meaning is to connect the real world and the seemingly unreal cyber world with this reality. What i learned during that process which included Twitter, Jaiku, Facebook, Ning, Basecamp, YouTube, blogs etc. that the cyber world is REAL. Social Media connections are with real people and not with avtars. Maybe that's why I don't feel too bad if Jaiku is "down" for a while (was it a day?). My attitude accepting that downtime is technically not acceptable, but I like to really understand the "reality of the virtual" and without it we wouldn't be talking about this. Nuclear power plants have downtimes. They shouldn't but they really are down for months for maintenance. I hope this doesn't get lost in translation!
1 year, 4 months ago by visualradio
To me the whole Web is about people -- not just the new 2.0 crap. It has always been and it always will be. In that regard downtime could translate to time apart from your friends and colleagues. This is very different point of view from what a large e-commerce site maintainer would have (and what my first association for the word would be), for example.
And then again, I don't mind for Jaiku being down for some hours, either. (I believe it was nearly a day this time.) As you said, there's fortunately other things to do :)
1 year, 4 months ago by Uninen
@uninen, The whole web is about people. That's a huge change. Vascellari is Italian, we are good friends over the Internet (Twitter, Jaiku, Facebook and Pownce, just to mention a few). I've never met you, but feels like talking with someone real. You're from Turki, I'm from Loviisa, Finland. I've a friend in Turku, we used to work together for quite some time. I guess he don't Jaiku, but we do some Google Talk. It's great to have these channels. The virtual is real!
1 year, 4 months ago by visualradio
That's amazing thing about the Web: physical distances don't matter anymore.
I remember going online for the first time back in the day. We (our school) had a 2400 baud modem and Netscape 1.0 for browsing. Even then the Big Thing were the people, all around the world. Back then the Web was not so interesting because all it had was a bunch of crappy, literally 1994-looking, static pages that took ages to load, and not very much to do. BBS-systems and usenet-groups were much more interesting because they offered near-realtime connections with real people.
My 2.0 "Social Web" era started in 1995 or so when I first chatted with Justin Hall via email. Man, that was exciting. (And few years after that we met IRL in Helsinki.) This is what I think is the heart and soul of all of these new 2.0 Web services: to bring together people all over the world.
I really don't know how we ended up here from the original "i wish i were more on Jaiku", but hey, who cares! :)
1 year, 4 months ago by Uninen
Justin Hall, I've seen a documentary about him. He's quite a personality. I guess he is one of the blogger pioneers. What is Justin Hall doing now? Still exposing his life over the Internet? He has a bunch of followers.
1 year, 4 months ago by visualradio